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Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« on: 23 July 2008 08:42 PM »
What I would like to do is start a series of definitive reseach and data collection forum threads that could be quick references to the new developers on what we, as the fans, are expecting from STO.

As good a place to start as any, please discuss which ships from Starfleet and other races should be featured in STO. Please be realistic. Assuming that the new developer follows the previous path and sets STO in the future, there obviously would not be an NX Class flying around.

So, I'll get started by listing the classes of ships I believe would still be in service in 2404:

Sovereign
Galaxy
Prometheus
Intrepid
Defiant
Nebula
Nova
Akira
Danube
Delta Flyer
Norway
Saber
Steamrunner

Classes that could be in service, but should be limited due to age, and ready to be decommisioned:

Niagra
Freedom
New Orleans
Ambassador
Centaur

Classes that should only be in the Starfleet Museum:

NX
Constitution
Excelsior
Miranda
Oberth
Constellation
Soyuz

I know this may make me an unpopular fellow. After all, the Excelsior and Miranda classes are quite popular, and yes, they were seen in the Dominion War.

However, if the year is 2404, and we saw so many of these ships in service during the Dominion War, it would stand to reason that their numbers would have been heavily thinned, and eventually Starfleet would have put them out to pasture.

Fact is, they do not belong to the modern Trek era. They don't look right when sitting next to a Galaxy class or Soveriegn or Nova class vessel, there is no reason to believe that they would be able to accept all the technology upgrades necessary to make them modernized, and after over 100 years of service, everyone deserves to enjoy their old age!

I would say that if the devs INSIST on using the Excelsior or Miranda classes, they should have very limited duties and capabilities, such as patrol assignments in the Sol sector and diplomatic runs to places like Vulcan, Q'onos, Andoria, etc.




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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #1 on: 23 July 2008 09:14 PM »
I'm not sure on the ambasador and freedom being limited due to age. they are realitively young ships, ambasador's only 10-15 years older than the galaxy's and the freedoms were built after the galaxy's for the most part.

i seriously want to see what they say as to when this Universe will exists, I can only see it really being feasible for all players to place it pretty much at the first season of TNG, that way everyone who loves TMP era ships can live in harmany with TNG crowds, although this isn't very feasible for the new geners who love that unmentionable show and the pointy ships or that cast away crew.
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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #2 on: 23 July 2008 09:17 PM »
What I would like to do is start a series of definitive reseach and data collection forum threads that could be quick references to the new developers on what we, as the fans, are expecting from STO.

As good a place to start as any, please discuss which ships from Starfleet and other races should be featured in STO. Please be realistic. Assuming that the new developer follows the previous path and sets STO in the future, there obviously would not be an NX Class flying around.

So, I'll get started by listing the classes of ships I believe would still be in service in 2404:

Sovereign
Galaxy
Prometheus
Intrepid
Defiant
Nebula
Nova
Akira
Danube
Delta Flyer
Norway
Saber
Steamrunner

Classes that could be in service, but should be limited due to age, and ready to be decommisioned:

Niagra
Freedom
New Orleans
Ambassador
Centaur

Classes that should only be in the Starfleet Museum:

NX
Constitution
Excelsior
Miranda
Oberth
Constellation
Soyuz

I know this may make me an unpopular fellow. After all, the Excelsior and Miranda classes are quite popular, and yes, they were seen in the Dominion War.

However, if the year is 2404, and we saw so many of these ships in service during the Dominion War, it would stand to reason that their numbers would have been heavily thinned, and eventually Starfleet would have put them out to pasture.

Fact is, they do not belong to the modern Trek era. They don't look right when sitting next to a Galaxy class or Soveriegn or Nova class vessel, there is no reason to believe that they would be able to accept all the technology upgrades necessary to make them modernized, and after over 100 years of service, everyone deserves to enjoy their old age!

I would say that if the devs INSIST on using the Excelsior or Miranda classes, they should have very limited duties and capabilities, such as patrol assignments in the Sol sector and diplomatic runs to places like Vulcan, Q'onos, Andoria, etc.






Well depending on their system, the NX-Class can be used as a command trainning vessel.  Delta flyer is an exclusive to Voyager, its unknown whether it will be replicated.  Excelsior I think should still be in play with the Miranda because they are fleet work horses, they might be old, but still fairly active.  Some refits should be in the game as well, such as the one for the Excelsior, the USS Lakota, and perhaps the Galaxy X-Class Refit.  The unpopular Yeager class might be put in as well.

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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #3 on: 23 July 2008 09:34 PM »
The Ambassador is around 20 years old due to the fact Wesley says in "Yesterdays Enterprise" it was destroyed more than 20 years ago. The Enterprise had been in service for about 3 years so it is atleast 17 but who knows how long the Enterprise C was in service. But then again the TNG tech manual says the galaxy class would ony be in its first operation phase after twenty years. I dont know if this really applies to an Ambassador class though. :) 


More ship classes:
 
Springfield class
Olympic class
Norkova type transport
maybe the federation holoship
Curry type (getting old)
Cheyenne class
Challenger class
federation attack fighter

the unsung kitbash or one appearance models. :)
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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #4 on: 23 July 2008 09:48 PM »
...Delta flyer is an exclusive to Voyager, its unknown whether it will be replicated.  Excelsior I think should still be in play with the Miranda because they are fleet work horses, they might be old, but still fairly active.  Some refits should be in the game as well, such as the one for the Excelsior, the USS Lakota, and perhaps the Galaxy X-Class Refit.  The unpopular Yeager class might be put in as well.

First of all, as well designed as the Delta Flyer was, I can't imagine Starfleet passing up on it as a short range multi-person craft, and standardizing it across the fleet for capital ships and starbases. Sure, there is no canon to support it, but of course, there is technically no canon beyond 2379 either.

As for the Excelsior and Miranda classes, those ships were launched in the 2270's and 80s, meaning that the ship design itself is approaching 125 years old. The usefulness of these ships in the fleet would most definitely be limited. Let's say the United States Navy decided to still use 125 year old designs. If that were the case, we would still have monitors and sailing ships from the US Civil War era out on the high seas.

Now, if you think about it, if a 1880's monitor were out on the seas now days against the most advanced nuclear subs, aircraft carriers, heck even against WWII battleships, how long would those ships last? Now apply that to what we saw in the Dominion War. Many of those older designs such as the Mirandas and Excelsiors became nothing more than rubble and debris in the first minutes of fighting against foes such as the Cardassians, Borg and Jem Hadar.

It's a whole new era for Trek. Don't get me wrong, I love the style of the older ships. The Excelsior was always one of my favorites. But her time has past. Would it make sense if we would have seen Constitution class vessels flying around in amongst the Galaxy classes of the Dominion War? Not really. Same goes for some of the other oldies but goodies. There are plenty of canon ships out there with plenty of service life in them. It's time to retire the frontier ships of the Kirk and Sulu era.

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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #5 on: 23 July 2008 10:22 PM »
i would highly suggest the Apollo, Yeager and Achilles class ships if possible.

the Achilles although not shown on the shows was developed during the dominion war to combat the massive warships built by the Cardassions (namely the Hutet) http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Achilles_class
Yeager - a newish class, again built during the Dominion war and was apart of the defense force assigned to DS9 http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Yeager_type
Apollo class - the Nebula's older brother http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Apollo_class - image: http://www.trekmania.net/art/Apollo_mk4.jpg


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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #6 on: 23 July 2008 10:42 PM »
...Delta flyer is an exclusive to Voyager, its unknown whether it will be replicated.  Excelsior I think should still be in play with the Miranda because they are fleet work horses, they might be old, but still fairly active.  Some refits should be in the game as well, such as the one for the Excelsior, the USS Lakota, and perhaps the Galaxy X-Class Refit.  The unpopular Yeager class might be put in as well.

First of all, as well designed as the Delta Flyer was, I can't imagine Starfleet passing up on it as a short range multi-person craft, and standardizing it across the fleet for capital ships and starbases. Sure, there is no canon to support it, but of course, there is technically no canon beyond 2379 either.

As for the Excelsior and Miranda classes, those ships were launched in the 2270's and 80s, meaning that the ship design itself is approaching 125 years old. The usefulness of these ships in the fleet would most definitely be limited. Let's say the United States Navy decided to still use 125 year old designs. If that were the case, we would still have monitors and sailing ships from the US Civil War era out on the high seas.

Now, if you think about it, if a 1880's monitor were out on the seas now days against the most advanced nuclear subs, aircraft carriers, heck even against WWII battleships, how long would those ships last? Now apply that to what we saw in the Dominion War. Many of those older designs such as the Mirandas and Excelsiors became nothing more than rubble and debris in the first minutes of fighting against foes such as the Cardassians, Borg and Jem Hadar.

It's a whole new era for Trek. Don't get me wrong, I love the style of the older ships. The Excelsior was always one of my favorites. But her time has past. Would it make sense if we would have seen Constitution class vessels flying around in amongst the Galaxy classes of the Dominion War? Not really. Same goes for some of the other oldies but goodies. There are plenty of canon ships out there with plenty of service life in them. It's time to retire the frontier ships of the Kirk and Sulu era.

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Yea, I can definately see your point about the Delta Flyer, but I would think they'd modifiy it a bit.  Also, just going back to the topic of the excelsior.  They were given new weapons and shields, on top of that, if new ones were still being built, then new hull alloys would be applied.  But perhaps they should feature more of a refit version, rather than the original design.

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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #7 on: 23 July 2008 10:47 PM »

More ship classes:
 
Springfield class
Olympic class
Norkova type transport
maybe the federation holoship
Curry type (getting old)
Cheyenne class
Challenger class
federation attack fighter

the unsung kitbash or one appearance models. :)

Just for the record, technically the Olympic Class does not exist. It came from the alternate universe that was occuring in "All Good Things..." (for the uninitiated, it was the USS Pastuer, commanded by Captain Beverly Picard).

Much like the Enterprise J, the Aeon and the Dauntless, not really considered a canon vessel.

Of interesting note though, according to Memory Beta, there is some Trek novel that establishes that Starfleet would later go on to adopt the Dauntless Class. However, it would seem that most likely that Dauntless class would be significantly different than the Dauntless from VOY, since that Dauntless was nothing more than an elaborate illusion.
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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #8 on: 23 July 2008 10:51 PM »
in my opinion, the galaxy should be in the "ready to be decommisioned" area
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Re: Developers Database Part 1 - The Ships of STO
« Reply #9 on: 23 July 2008 10:56 PM »
Yea, I can definately see your point about the Delta Flyer, but I would think they'd modifiy it a bit.  Also, just going back to the topic of the excelsior.  They were given new weapons and shields, on top of that, if new ones were still being built, then new hull alloys would be applied.  But perhaps they should feature more of a refit version, rather than the original design.

I would agree. I would imagine that the Delta Flyer became the property of Utopia Planitia after Voyager's return and was studied. If it were built as a standardized vessel, it would probably go through an official Starfleet engineering review, with redesigns on any portions of the ship that were not up to Starfleet specs.

As for the Excelsior argument, I could agree to that, if the new devs want to roll out an Excelsior model, then make it a new refit variat with a slightly different appearance (hold the familiar shape and lines, but update the overall asthetic), updated nacelles, weaponry, etc. What I would not expect to see is the exact same hull configurations, nacelles and such as we saw with the Excelsiors even up through the Dominion War. Although ultimately, there are so many newer classes available that I couldn't imagine Starfleet continuing to produce a 125 year old design. Similar to the original Constitution class, while the vessel was a good ship, you would have to wonder what would be more resource intensive, modifying an old design to outfit the newest equipment, or simply issuing a newer ship that is already designed for those components?

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One thing to consider in the Excelsior debate. While the Excelsior line saw heavy action in the Dominion War, and recieved many updates to shields and armaments, it would be highly unlikely that Starfleet was still mass producing this vessel in fleet shipyards. Most likely the updates were only occuring on existing vessels. (Think of the USS Missouri and her updates from WWII Armaments to the more modernized Tomahawk cruise missle batteries of the Gulf War era.)
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