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Author Topic: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"  (Read 3814 times)

Offline Zach

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With the recent stream of interviews from Perpetual Entertainment Lately (MMORPG.com, TrekMovie.com, STOcast) it has become quite clear that the vision for Star Trek Online has changed once again, and that now, the bulk of player ships will not have ship interiors, and in fact might not even support NPC crews!

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This revelation has stunned much of the Star Trek Online community, with people all over the place in a rage about it - This has been one of the things people have been looking forward too since the game was announced back in 2004 - the ability to have a crew and explore your ship - an extension of Bridge Commander to the millionth power, and now they are talking about removing that - and limiting ship interiors to their so called hubs, ships like the Galaxy Class, Soverign Class, etc etc.

Well, Hailing Frequency says NO to this, we want the ship interiors that we have been looking forward to since day one, and we are going to do whatever it takes to get them.

Post your support here - all responses to this thread will be compiled into a petition that will be forwarded to the head honcho himself, Daron Stinnett, Executive Producer of Star Trek Online.

Make it So!

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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #1 on: 03 April 2007 01:09 PM »
You have my support Zach. It isn't Star Trek if you can't walk the decks. Less development of hubs and more energy on ships. Less ship class numbers (20 or 30 instead of 100) in favor of ship quality and more immersion. This MMO must live up to it's potential.


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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #2 on: 03 April 2007 05:13 PM »
YOU have my support too I wanted this sooo bad now they not gonna do it ..no way man!!!
Go back to your orginal Idea Guys!!!!

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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #3 on: 03 April 2007 08:01 PM »
 nk4  Gunna wait and see on this one...I think I understand what they (PE) are trying to say.



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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #4 on: 03 April 2007 08:13 PM »
agree with kinneas. It's a huge undertaking and what I understand from the interview with Ryan Denning is that even the artists have much detailed work to do with the exteriors of the ships alone, so I want to see that finished first before I start thinking about the interior stuff and what's possible there.

but of course, this has to be in-game at least at some point in development (hopefully not that far away ;)).

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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #5 on: 03 April 2007 09:35 PM »
Hey Guys :
Is it possible on next interview to get some confirmation if this is true?
it wouldbe a shame if they did this


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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #6 on: 03 April 2007 10:40 PM »
I'll add it too the list of questions to ask next time

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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #7 on: 05 April 2007 06:07 PM »
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Wow, a 22 page thread and still going! I certainly didn't intend to cause this much fuss. I'd just like to clarify a few things here. First, I don't believe I've ever promised player ship interiors, though I suppose there might be something I've forgotten. Second, I'm not saying that there won't be player ship interiors either. We will evaluate our ability to deliver player ship interiors once we get a little further into production and after we've fully understood what it will take to deliver a high quality capitol ship interior and experience. We do "understand the importance of player ships interiors to players and the pro-bridge/interior view is well represented within the team. I know everyone would like to get my commitment now, but well, it is a big galaxy.

However, I do want everyone to know that after careful consideration over a year ago, we decided against the "characters at consoles" mechanic for space gameplay. That doesn't mean we don't understand and value the importance of representing your character avatar in space.

Some won't like the mechanic decision we made and I understand that. But I'm confident that we thought through it very carefully and ultimately made the best decision for the game.
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I played Legacy on the PC and did not like the combat. I understand it is better on the 360, but either way the only comparison I would make to Legacy is that you are fully capable from an exterior view. I thought Bridge Commander had a better combat model, and there too players were most effective and generally played from the exterior view, but we're not going the "manage a bunch of subsystems" route.

The interface and style of space combat will have a lot in common with most MMORPGs whether ground or space. Though SWG JTLS is not a good comparison. Eve is a better comparison from an interface perspective, but the team doesn't feel like they succeeded in creating an entertaining combat model.

We still have a lot to develop so I don't want to go into too much detail. Some will love what we realize, some will hate it I'm sure. But I want everyone to come to a conclusion based on what it really is and on the whole package rather than the sketchy information we're able to provide at this point. And for those who feel this might be going in the wrong direction, don't worry, there's still plenty of time to cancel your subscription
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: Weirdly...wonders what Mr. Disney would say  :

I guess I find it odd that for probably more money than it took to make all of Disneyworld, a Tripple A MMO developer finds it difficult to  provide multiple types of gameplay experiences with a MMO infrastructure.

 "We are not building two games" -Perpetual.

Maybe there lies the problem because it seems for a 'Tripple A' budget ,there is only imagination enough to use a MMO infrastructure to provide a very narrow type of experience instead of thinking of using a MMO infrustructure like a 'Disneyland' that can provide many types of experiences in one location.

One has to also ponder the activities of MMO makers who create little more than single player experience and yet want to reap the bounty of a potential 2 million + audience. 

It sure is nice making a MMO for under 100 million....making 125 million in sales the first day...up to 800+ million in the first year and up to 79 million a month after that.  (they do not even have over 60 miles of physical theme park attractions to upkeep. Just computers)

I guess that has me wondering what Mr. Disney would say the most.   Hey.  There is nothing wrong with making money hand over fist.  It is what you do to get that money.

And right now...STO is no Disneyworld.

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When you have famous game developers stepping up and saying:  MMO developers do no more work than required to make a single or multi-play player game yet reap unbelievable profits'...something is wrong.

Maybe it is because MMO's are still so new to the mainstream and after moving from single player experiences and multi-player experiences they do not understand what truly 'MASSIVE" Multi-play experiences could be delivered to them for the monies they provide (as well as multi-play and single play experiences that can be delivered with a MMO infrastructure too).

Hell no would a game developer really want to do what is required to create a Disneyworld. They want to stick to designing games of the 1995 era and reap 2009 profits.

People are catching on though.  Thank goodness they love telling folks that WoW has over seven million players and how that equates to over 70 million dollars a month...for a game that cost less than 100 million to make.   WOW has officially joind the BILLIONAIRE club and is closing in on the Trillion club. 

A movie studio won't make as much as a MMO yet they will dump 200 million on a project where a game developer won't come close to getting that kind of production money (development money  for STO was not supposed to be a problem)

One almost wishes the Department of Justice would to look into the activities of game developer and MMO game developers.  This is getting out of hand. All the secrecy and hype has got to go.





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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #8 on: 09 April 2007 08:36 PM »
After the latest stream of posts by Daron over on STOnet, i am feeling a little bit better about the lack of ship interiors from most player ships - i still hope that the bigger player ships will have interiors, things like the akira, and intrepid, etc etc, and i especially hope that we will still have guild controllable ships for clans.....I guess we will just have to see how it goes - i suppose it the general reaction when the game comes out, is bad, they can always add it in and expansion

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Re: No Ship Interiors?! "All Hands to Petition Stations!"
« Reply #9 on: 10 April 2007 02:33 PM »
For me it has become much simpler. I see that Daron understands how important PSI's are to the majority of buyers. I think they must have at least some key interiors for capital ships by launch or many simply wont buy (including me). But I have also calmned down. I think they are probably sweating over this issue right now.