HOLD IT!!! shouldn't you set some ground rules here like... members of a fleet can't vote for their own fleet....

IMO this whole category is just asking for trouble!

For this category, I may stipulate that clans are not allowed to vote for themselves.  I'll consider the situation

Let me ask this then, why would someone vote for a group they know nothing about, nor would they have the informed knowledge of any of our groups without actually being a member.

To not allow members of our own groups to show patriotism and support for their own group makes the whole process a joke.

This is like saying that you have candidate A and B running for office, but you stipulate that Candidate A and B cant vote themselves as a result both are forced to vote for each other by whom they are running against thereby skewing the possible outcome of the vote.

Might I also point out that in 3 years this has never been an issue and as of Last Years vote, the difference between LF's members voting and the communities votes caused it to be fair anyway because they still choose based on what they saw. Which btw we lost to Starbase 118 last year.

I say leave it as is because the community as a whole will always have more votes then any one guild could muster on their own which by that nature makes it fair for all guilds involved regardless of size.


In short you cant prevent someone from voting, and you cant force them to vote for another group just because they are already associated with one that is nominated...thats not a voting process.

that's marketing and advertising...something of which all Fleets have access too...if they take the time to take advantage of it.


and you actually hit on a great point something of which LF has prepared for since last year during the PCAs. The Players Choice Awards represent a great recruiting and advertising event for all Fleets that are involved...Simply to be nominated allows for that fleet to be viewed by large numbers of people and as a result the potential to bring in more members. In addition it is a very direct form of Advertising regardless of who places 1st 2nd or 3rd and so on, simply because perspective member have different tastes so any of the nominated Fleets have an equal chance of gaining new members in this manner. So while in part it is a popularity contest not just by their own members but the community as a whole, it is also a Win/Win for all involved as well.

I think Batavius was referring to Hailing Frequency's Forum link endorsing Lotus Fleet as the official guild/fleet for Hailing Frequency. :)

I acknowledge that your views are perfectly valid Nova, however I do not share them.

I can know something about another fleet and still not be a member. For example, I have a lot of respect for 3rd Fleet. They are VERY well organized, their membership is very friendly. I would gladly nominate them for best fleet/guild, without feeling as if I were betraying my own fleet.

In a situation like this, it is impossible to have an "informed" decision, because unless you have been a part of each of the gaming groups, you have only been FULLY exposed to your own.

As far as I understood it, this is meant as a fun community activity, and not as a competition such as a candidate running for office, and so the analogy of candidates being forced to choose the other is invalid. There are far more options than just two candidates - there are hundreds of fleets within the community.

The community is largely composed of fleets and groups such as {UFP}, Lotus Fleet, 3rd Fleet, Ninth Fleet, etc. I would argue that by allowing members to vote for their respective fleets/groups, the majority of the rest of the community vote is fractured into votes for their own fleets. This would mean that the "majority" that the community holds is insufficient to counteract the numbers of larger clans such as {UFP} or Lotus Fleet, meaning that the smaller clans have a much smaller chance of getting noticed. I would hardly count that as "Win/Win".

If members were unable to vote for their own fleet, then voters would be able to choose which OTHER clan/fleet they feel is most deserving. This would mean that smaller fleets have an opportunity to share more of the headlight with larger clans, and it is MORE of a Win/Win scenario for everyone, and the community as a whole, since they would be exposed to new ideas and groups.